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by SCarewe
10 May 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Replies: 13
Views: 4718

Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs

I'm running into a sort of counter-issue: I have a /percent glyph made up of: /_zero-percent-top, /fraction and /_zero-percent (not the best namings, don't blame me). They are, of course, auto-aligned. Kern On correctly autokerns /_zero-percent-top with /fraction, but not /fraction with /_zero-perce...
by SCarewe
09 May 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Best way to not kern swashes
Replies: 4
Views: 1627

Re: Best way to not kern swashes

You can set the left to "No Kerning" and leave the right side at "Standard Kerning". Is that what you are looking for?
by SCarewe
15 Apr 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Replies: 13
Views: 4718

Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs

Yes, I understand about kerning non-exporting glyphs, which makes sense. However, if glyphs like _shoulder are exclusively used in a glyph where they are connected using #exit and #entry anchors, why should they be autokerned in the first place? Is there any development on the issue with kerning acc...
by SCarewe
12 Apr 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Replies: 13
Views: 4718

Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs

Hello again. I've found KO now even kerns non-exporting components (such as _shoulder) against each other when I use them in a glyph (for example, I use _shoulder twice in a row in /m). The old behaviour was a lot better. Is there no other way of determining which composites need to be kerned?
by SCarewe
02 Apr 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Replies: 13
Views: 4718

Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs

Sorry. I meant 3249 and 3251. The latest 3.2.

Concerning the Unicodes: ask our client, I told him it's a ridiculous idea ;)

And it's not only the Hmacron, but a whole plethora of accented uppercase. Even Aacute, if I'm not mistaken. I'll check again tomorrow.
by SCarewe
02 Apr 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Replies: 13
Views: 4718

Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs

Odd. I tested in 3149 and 3151 and the result is the same. For Hmacron I get: ``` Hmacron hasAlignedWidth 1 <GSComponent "H" x=0.0 y=0.0> shouldAttach 0 <GSComponent "macroncomb.case" x=178.0 y=0.0> shouldAttach 0 ``` So, for some reason, you get shouldAttach True while I get Fal...
by SCarewe
28 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Replies: 13
Views: 4718

Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs

Hello, as per the changelog, the autokerning of glyphs involved in composites is fixed, which is great. However, I opened up Kern On on a document and found that accented glyphs were now also autokerned. Oddly, this is only the case for accented capitals (with .case accents). as well as for gcommaac...
by SCarewe
25 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
Replies: 15
Views: 8598

Re: Special Spacing Not Working

Hi Tim, just since I have been running into this myself for quite a while, I wanted to make sure that this is something you have noticed (and, maybe, fixed): When I start Kern On on a new font, every single glyph is set to "Standard Kerning". No special spacing groups are set automatically...
by SCarewe
22 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Replies: 14
Views: 12887

Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned

Thanks for the offer, that's very kind, but it's not too urgent. I have simply set the affected pair to auto in all masters.

Thanks to you and Georg for getting to the bottom of this!
by SCarewe
18 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Replies: 14
Views: 12887

Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned

Has there been any progress on this? It would be really great to be able to properly determine kerning-affected composites like Kern On wants to. I currently need to manually set auto pairs.
by SCarewe
18 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: /fl kerned differently than /l
Replies: 2
Views: 2195

Re: /fl kerned differently than /l

Thanks for taking a look at my file and the quick response.

Reminder to myself to always triple-check even the most basic things. I had set special spacing for my /fl (all ligatures) by mistake.
by SCarewe
16 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: /fl kerned differently than /l
Replies: 2
Views: 2195

/fl kerned differently than /l

Hello, I have run into a very strange behaviour: Why is my /fl–/o kerned differenclty than /l–/o?

Kern On claims that there is a huge range within which /fl–/o can be kerned, although it is very fixed on /l–/o (since I have /n–/o as a model already).

What is going on here?
by SCarewe
04 Mar 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: "Sync kerning types from" affects source file when changes are made in target
Replies: 2
Views: 3301

"Sync kerning types from" affects source file when changes are made in target

Hello, I'm not sure this is intentional (I hope it isn't): I opened two files and started kerning in one. Somehow, the special spacing groups weren't set properly (Kern On seems not to do this anymore, odd), so I selected "Sync kerning types from...". After syncing the kerning types (=copy...
by SCarewe
07 Feb 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Unpredictable exceptions
Replies: 5
Views: 4503

Re: Unpredictable exceptions

Did you define pairs like n–o as a model in Kern On? Kern On will leave these pairs as exceptions for compatibility reasons.
by SCarewe
20 Jan 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning a pixel font?
Replies: 2
Views: 3285

Re: Kerning a pixel font?

This is currently not possible from within Kern On, no. What you can do is run Kern On and then run a simple script that rounds all kerning values to units of 50.
by SCarewe
17 Jan 2024
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Replies: 14
Views: 12887

Glyph combinations used as components not kerned

Hello, I seem to remember this was a feature introduced with some update a while back: glyph combinations that are used as components in other glyphs (such as /one.dnom /fraction in /onehalf) were kerned by Kern On, regardless of importance on the pair frequency list. In my example, I have /careof a...
by SCarewe
04 Dec 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
Replies: 4
Views: 4775

Re: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?

This comes close to what I currently do. My workflow is: - Set the italic master to autokern from Roman. - Open (as text) all models from the Roman in the Italic master. - Wait a second for Kern On to kern all pairs in the text view. - Run a script that: -- 1. Deletes the "KernOnAutokernFrom&qu...
by SCarewe
03 Dec 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
Replies: 7
Views: 7326

Re: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)

Still running into this issue, in a different form: Adjusting the value with arrow up/down is not possible, the text field is quit.
by SCarewe
03 Dec 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
Replies: 4
Views: 4775

"Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?

Hello, is there some efficient way of setting a master to autokern and then "expand" the kerning in such a way that the models from the reference master are set in the autokerned master, but with the values from the autokerning process? Let's say I have an italic master I set to autokern f...
by SCarewe
31 Oct 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
Replies: 7
Views: 7326

Re: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)

I can confirm this. The changed kerning value is displayed for a split second in the text view, but then is reset. Only once I release the slider, the kerning value is properly displayed in the text view.

This makes kerning with the slider virtually useless.
by SCarewe
28 Aug 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: HX H – why?
Replies: 1
Views: 3881

HX H – why?

Hello, I am running into a rather frustrating issue. Why is my X being kerned so loosely on the right, while it is not kerned on the left? I first saw this when I set the master to autokern from another file, so I set up models manually. The issue persists, also after restarting Glyphs, Kern On, the...
by SCarewe
09 Aug 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning pairs - reasonable quantity?
Replies: 4
Views: 4812

Re: Kerning pairs - reasonable quantity?

That sounds very reasonable, especially considering you are working on a serif design. You can control the amount of generated pairs by adjusting the kB setting in the Kern On dialogue.
by SCarewe
21 Jul 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Something is very wrong with fractions
Replies: 4
Views: 5316

Re: Something is very wrong with fractions

I tried up to 64k, to no avail. What I don't understand is how my editing the pair frequencies list didn't achieve anything, maybe I'm missing something.
by SCarewe
20 Jul 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Something is very wrong with fractions
Replies: 4
Views: 5316

Something is very wrong with fractions

Hello, I am running into a very frustrating issue with fraction kerning (which, to be honest, has been a recurring problem for Kern On). In the current version, I am unable to generate fraction kerning, despite the OT feature being there, me having set models, and the autokerning also working while ...
by SCarewe
01 Jul 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Small kern pairs
Replies: 10
Views: 9722

Re: Small kern pairs

Hi, I am still wondering why this happens pretty much constantly in italics. I am getting +2 on the most basic pairs such as ll, HH, ln, etc. when I set it to autokern from the roman masters. The spacing is identical, there is no way to remedy this apart from copying all models from the roman and ad...
by SCarewe
27 Jun 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Do we need kerning against the space character?
Replies: 28
Views: 43097

Re: Do we need kerning against the space character?

Hello again, once more I am needing to kern the space. My current solution is to simply set space – [C, T, U, V, Y] as an independent pair and then run Kern On. Problem is: Every time I re-run Kern On, I need to remove the kerning exception and turn it into class kerning, so that ĆČÇ... are also ker...
by SCarewe
26 Jun 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Does KO need a keyboard shortcut?
Replies: 7
Views: 6913

Re: Does KO need a keyboard shortcut?

As someone who does kerning repetitively every few moments, I have very much grown dependant on the keyboard shortcut. While Ctrl+K might not be obligatory, it is still extremely useful. An option to customise the keyboard shortcut might be a good idea.
by SCarewe
03 Jun 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Small kern pairs
Replies: 10
Views: 9722

Re: Small kern pairs

Yes, I would definitely only apply this upon finalisation. I use the small kerning pairs generated on the fly in order to fix spacing issues, I wouldn't want to miss those.

By the way, any plans for a separate spacing tool? In harmonious conjunction with KO, that would be the ultimate game-changer.
by SCarewe
25 May 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Small kern pairs
Replies: 10
Views: 9722

Re: Small kern pairs

Coming back to this. I would really appreciate being able to define a lower limit of units for kerning pairs. Example: I often have simple obliques of roman masters, where I use the Autokern from... feature. Almost always, this results in wrong kerning pairs in the italics. I might have the model l–...
by SCarewe
03 May 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Copy kern on project?
Replies: 2
Views: 3676

Re: Copy kern on project?

You can copy the data that Kern On writes. The models are stored in each master's user data:
master.userData["KernOnModels"]
and so on. You can similarly find the other relevant dictionary keys. Don't forget to copy the kerning (exceptions) as well.
by SCarewe
27 Mar 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Differing kerning for numr and dnom
Replies: 3
Views: 4070

Re: Differing kerning for numr and dnom

Yes, this font has numr and dnom letters (don't ask me why, the only use-case I was able to discern was writing Vème siècle in French, with ème being in numerators). Anyway, with the update, this works as expected now. Same for fraction kerning. Thanks a lot! I will very happily finally retire that ...
by SCarewe
16 Mar 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Group-group-specific kerning rules
Replies: 8
Views: 15088

Re: Group-group-specific kerning rules

Hello, apologies for me belated reply. I admit your questions stumped me and I don't quite know what to answer. I hadn't thought about this question enough and simply based my instinct not to kern them off the fact that I (like most others) make my maths operators tabular. So, instinctively, I would...
by SCarewe
16 Mar 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Differing kerning for numr and dnom
Replies: 3
Views: 4070

Differing kerning for numr and dnom

Hello, I am running into an odd issue. I have my numr glyphs set up as components (align=3), so exact same sidebearings as my dnom glyphs. Kern On wants to kern my numr differently (slightly tighter) than my dnom. Why? I have them both in the same special spacing group. Saving and re-opening the fil...
by SCarewe
09 Mar 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Group-group-specific kerning rules
Replies: 8
Views: 15088

Re: Group-group-specific kerning rules

Hello, have you had any time to consider this further? Especially for maths operators. I don't quite understand why Kern On kerns maths operators amongst each other in the first place, or is this just a by-product of them being set to some type of kerning in the first place? I did simply add them to...
by SCarewe
28 Jan 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Accented letters issue
Replies: 3
Views: 7606

Re: Accented letters issue

Things like this can often occur when components shift. Glyphs is not very good at updating the alignment automatically and re-calculating the sidebearings. Rather annoyingly, you have to open up all glyphs in text mode (just select all glyphs in font view and hit Cmd+T). Then step through all maste...
by SCarewe
14 Jan 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning not outputting as previewed
Replies: 3
Views: 7397

Re: Kerning not outputting as previewed

Without knowing for sure the real reason for this, I am assuming this is due to the principle Kern On follows when kerning: Significance in real-world application. Meaning, Kern On will not kern every pair under the sun, but prioritise kerning pairs that actually occur in the real world (based on hu...
by SCarewe
23 Nov 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Group-group-specific kerning rules
Replies: 8
Views: 15088

Re: Group-group-specific kerning rules

Hi Rosalie, concerning fraction kerning (which is still not automatically done by KO for some reason), I wrote a script:
https://github.com/eweracs/glyphs-scrip ... ter/KernOn
It's called Set Fraction Autopairs.
by SCarewe
26 Oct 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: How to Deal With Overkerned Glyphs
Replies: 4
Views: 8347

Re: How to Deal With Overkerned Glyphs

What happens if you add a model for, for example, hyphen/quoteright?
by SCarewe
30 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: different results for similar shape
Replies: 25
Views: 33153

Re: different results for similar shape

I still don't see why you care about these cases. Who will ever run into them?
by SCarewe
30 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Clicking "Ignore" on warnings doesn't ignore warnings
Replies: 3
Views: 8139

Re: Clicking "Ignore" on warnings doesn't ignore warnings

Sorry, my honest impression was that it's been like this for at least two versions, my apologies if my impression was rather skewed. Thanks a lot for fixing this!
by SCarewe
30 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Clicking "Ignore" on warnings doesn't ignore warnings
Replies: 3
Views: 8139

Clicking "Ignore" on warnings doesn't ignore warnings

Hello, I have been running into an issue since a few Kern On versions: The warning that pops up every now and then about "(glyph)(glyph) seems tighter than (glyph)(glyph)", which I can either check or "Ignore", pops up again every single time I add a new model. Previously, if I c...
by SCarewe
22 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: different results for similar shape
Replies: 25
Views: 33153

Re: different results for similar shape

You essentially don't have control, no. What might reassure you is that, with all the data crunching of hundreds of millions of letter combinations from real-world applications, Kern On has a pretty solid idea of what will actually appear in the real world. Ask yourself: which user will actually, se...
by SCarewe
21 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: How many models is reasonable—can you have too many?
Replies: 2
Views: 5979

Re: How many models is reasonable—can you have too many?

Hi, depending on the design of the master (script, glyph count, sans, serif, heavy, thin, detailed, simple...) I usually get very decent results with around 100 models per master for a Latin sans, most often with quite a few less for a heavy master, as the shapes will be a lot more similar in regard...
by SCarewe
17 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Overflow error when exporting variable font
Replies: 4
Views: 7858

Re: Overflow error when exporting variable font

Tim Ahrens wrote: > If you select 64kB or less then you should not get the error, so something > is going wrong somewhere. Hmm, I get this error all the time, even using 36kB. I suspected this kB limit would be per master, so each exported instance essentially cannot have a kerning table larger than...
by SCarewe
17 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Too loose compared to the exact same interaction elsewhere?
Replies: 7
Views: 9113

Re: Too loose compared to the exact same interaction elsewhere?

The A–Y "model" you have set in your screenshot is not a model, it's set to Independent.
by SCarewe
11 Sep 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Overflow error when exporting variable font
Replies: 4
Views: 7858

Re: Overflow error when exporting variable font

This happens when the kerning size is too big. You can adjust the kB size or add the custom parameter Use Extension Kerning to your Font Info.

The number of pairs is (somewhat directly) related to the kB size, 17k for 64kB doesn't seem to outlandish.
by SCarewe
29 Aug 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Opening Kern On *immediately* deletes all group data from all glyphs, unless it is re-run.
Replies: 4
Views: 23443

Re: Opening Kern On *immediately* deletes all group data from all glyphs, unless it is re-run.

While I cannot give you a professional reasoning as to why or whether KO needs to remove all groups, I would say the main reason is simply the logic behind KO, that the only important thing for the kerning are the models, and the kerning is calculated "live" (also in edit view, all the tim...
by SCarewe
29 Aug 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Is Kern On deterministic?
Replies: 1
Views: 5986

Is Kern On deterministic?

Hello, Since I am planning to work on a Cyrillic extension of a project, I was wondering what the implications are of using Kern On on a font that already is "finished" in its Latin state. In order to avoid text reflow and general changes to the existing font metrics/kerning, is it necessa...
by SCarewe
12 Apr 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Autokern from master, thoughts
Replies: 2
Views: 7202

Autokern from master, thoughts

Hello, First off, many thanks for the great Autokern from Master feature. I am aware that this is the first version with this feature, but I would still like to suggest some things that have bugged me. When setting a master to be autokerned from another source, Kern On deletes all models done up unt...
by SCarewe
04 Mar 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Do we need kerning against the space character?
Replies: 28
Views: 43097

Re: Do we need kerning against the space character?

Yes, I realise all those steps are a rather daunting thing to tackle with Kern On... If, somehow on the horizon, it was possible, that would be wonderful, of course. My current "solution" was to write a quick script that copied the kerning values for /u against [T, V, W Y] (and their deriv...
by SCarewe
24 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Transferring models: confusing warning message
Replies: 2
Views: 7369

Transferring models: confusing warning message

Hello, I am using the built-in transfer models functionality. After selecting a source master, I get this message: "Some pairs already exist in this master. Would you like to keep or update the values from the other master?". What does this mean? "Keep", meaning I keep the curren...
by SCarewe
24 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Do we need kerning against the space character?
Replies: 28
Views: 43097

Re: Do we need kerning against the space character?

Hello, I have a client that specifically is requesting kerning against the space (and I would generally agree that kerning against the space is a good idea, for cases like /o T/) Adding independents for all space-glyph and glyph-space pairs is possible, but somewhat defeats the purpose of Kern On (e...
by SCarewe
16 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Normalise kerning to spacing?
Replies: 17
Views: 22842

Re: Normalise kerning to spacing?

@claegg Are you aware of the HT Letterspacer? I have been using it for quite some time now and it works very well with Kern On. Of course, the principles behind the Letterspacer are somewhat simpler than those of Kern On, but it still works very well. I made a quick graphic interface for setting up ...
by SCarewe
14 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Normalise kerning to spacing?
Replies: 17
Views: 22842

Re: Normalise kerning to spacing?

Yes, expanding Kern On into a spacing tool is an idea that has been bounced around here a few times. Definitely a big interest in it! Personally, I would prefer it as a standalone tool, to use before moving to Kern On. How the model logic should work is an important question, but I guess those might...
by SCarewe
09 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Group-group-specific kerning rules
Replies: 8
Views: 15088

Re: Group-group-specific kerning rules

Hello, thanks a lot for your thoughts. A special spacing manager would be great for (optional) granular control. The automatic detection works very well so far, but for cases like the one outlined above, more specific controls would be very useful. I will try your suggestion, for the time being, it'...
by SCarewe
06 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Group-group-specific kerning rules
Replies: 8
Views: 15088

Group-group-specific kerning rules

Hello. I have come across a question that doesn't seem immediately resolvable to me with Kern On. For math operators, I want to set them to No Kerning among each other, so that no math operators receive kerning against other math operators. But I still want things like 7+7 to be kerned. So, ideally,...
by SCarewe
24 Jan 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Prioritise kerning by kern value
Replies: 9
Views: 14579

Re: Prioritise kerning by kern value

Hi Tim, thank you very much for your extremely detailed explanation. My neanderthal instinct just told me less kerning pairs = better. Quite obviously it is not like that and Kern On has all your knowledge baked in accordingly. Thanks!
by SCarewe
21 Dec 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Prioritise kerning by kern value
Replies: 9
Views: 14579

Re: Prioritise kerning by kern value

Yes, I know. But the original point was to tell Kern On that we don't want small kerning pairs in the first place, so KO can skip these pairs and generate more pairs instead. That's why a simple manual entry would be very useful.
by SCarewe
15 Dec 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Prioritise kerning by kern value
Replies: 9
Views: 14579

Re: Prioritise kerning by kern value

Hello, sorry for not getting back to you on this. I have been trying to find the right balance for Kern On to kern a font with a sensible balance of kerning pairs and pair size. Today, for instance, I set the file size to 6kB, but found that Kern On was still kerning pairs at ±2 units, which I don't...
by SCarewe
14 Dec 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: KO on CJK fonts
Replies: 3
Views: 5490

Re: KO on CJK fonts

Hello, in order to have Kern On autokern your pairs, you need to add them to the pair_frequencies.txt file (which can be found if you open the plugin in the Finder, click "Show Package Contents" and navigate to Contents/Resources/ Add your pairs and give them an arbitrary number that puts ...
by SCarewe
10 Dec 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Working with collaborators with KernOn
Replies: 8
Views: 8925

Re: Working with collaborators with KernOn

Hi Tim, I have been writing these scripts mostly for foundry-internal use, just as we see need in our workflow. Things like copying zero models to smallcaps or from numbers to small figures isn't something I think needs to be in Kern On itself. The idea is also, with scripts like Print Master Models...
by SCarewe
09 Dec 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Working with collaborators with KernOn
Replies: 8
Views: 8925

Re: Working with collaborators with KernOn

Hello, KernOnSpecialSpacing (glyph-level userData) describes the spacing group assigned to each side of a glyph. So, for example, your tabular figures will have "L: NoKerning, R: NoKerning" set as their values. Or "L: smallcaps, R: smallcaps" for your smallcaps, you get the idea....
by SCarewe
09 Dec 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Working with collaborators with KernOn
Replies: 8
Views: 8925

Re: Working with collaborators with KernOn

Hello, yes, this is possible. You can copy, edit, and write the models and values for any file. The models are stored in each master's userData as a simple list. Read these and their kerning values from the font kerning, then merge the two lists. Should be a very short and easy script. If you need h...
by SCarewe
22 Nov 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Prioritise kerning by kern value
Replies: 9
Views: 14579

Prioritise kerning by kern value

Good afternoon, In addition to limit kerning by file size and prioritising pairs by frequency, I find it would make a lot of sense to be able to set a lower threshold of kerning values bewlo which KO shouldn't kern. Our current production workflow is based around the way KO limits kerning by file si...
by SCarewe
17 Nov 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Roman and Italic
Replies: 2
Views: 5106

Re: Roman and Italic

Hello, I am currently kerning a project with an italic which is essentially just slanted with minor optical corrections on curves. Having made around 240 models, I am desperately trying to figure out a way to transfer models including their values to my italic file. As each file has five masters (al...
by SCarewe
13 Nov 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Pan African Latin
Replies: 6
Views: 9211

Re: Pan African Latin

Hello, thank you very much for your thoughts! Regarding your last point: I personally think that would make a lot of sense. The more that I am typing, deleting and re-typing any response, I realise I have ever less to add to it. Thanks for coming up with such a straightforward and clean idea!
by SCarewe
10 Nov 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Pan African Latin
Replies: 6
Views: 9211

Re: Pan African Latin

Alright, Entwarnung. Slight miscommunication between colleagues :) It appeared not to be kerned because the kerning proof texts included combinations that simply don't exist in Vietnamese. They are usually kerned because glyphs like v and w were put into the same group, so it just appeared like kern...
by SCarewe
09 Nov 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Pan African Latin
Replies: 6
Views: 9211

Re: Pan African Latin

Hello, we are running into some issues with multiscript font projects. Specifically, we are producing a Latin typeface with Cyrillic and Vietnamese and finding that KernOn virtually doesn't kern Vietname at all – which is understandable, of course, as it occurs very rarely in Latin texts. It makes p...
by SCarewe
02 Nov 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning below the baseline
Replies: 3
Views: 5460

Re: Kerning below the baseline

Hello! Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation, that's very helpful to know! I tested again with 1.06 and I still run into the same issue. If I set g-comma to something that looks decent to me, the contradicting model is mentioned to be n-comma. The threshold below which KO decides to kick out on...
by SCarewe
22 Oct 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kern On crash on Glyphs 3
Replies: 7
Views: 8300

Re: Kern On crash on Glyphs 3

Hello, as mentioned above, it was due to my own stupidity, again. I had deleted all vertical metrics from one master. All good now :)
by SCarewe
21 Oct 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kern On crash on Glyphs 3
Replies: 7
Views: 8300

Re: Kern On crash on Glyphs 3

Hello, G3 crashes when I start Kern On on a file that I was working with up until half an hour ago. At some point, re-starting KO simply started crashing G3 and now I can't continue working on the file. Any info I can supply to troubleshoot this? Edit: Somehow, I managed to delete all font metrics. ...
by SCarewe
21 Oct 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning below the baseline
Replies: 3
Views: 5460

Kerning below the baseline

Hello, I am coming across an issue more and more concerning the specific combination g, – KO wants to add a ton of positive kerning between g and comma, which I can understand if the shapes below the baseline are considered the same as the ones above. Tightening this as a model gives KO massive prob...
by SCarewe
23 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Fraction kerning
Replies: 10
Views: 12833

Re: Fraction kerning

Sent you my working file. Thank you very much for your time!
by SCarewe
23 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Fraction kerning
Replies: 10
Views: 12833

Re: Fraction kerning

Hello, yes, I did. I spent an entire evening trying to set up my small figures accordingly. What special spacing group do you advise? All into the same group? At some point, I was so frsutrated that I set up special spacing groups for each figure set, which also didn't work. KO 1.02, also restarting...
by SCarewe
22 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Fraction kerning
Replies: 10
Views: 12833

Re: Fraction kerning

Hi again. I'm afraid I'm running into a lot of issues with small numbers and KO. I have inferiors, superiors, dnom and numr. The latter three are components, automatically aligned, based off of inferiors. If I set them all up into the same special spacing group and set models in the inferiors, this ...
by SCarewe
07 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: KO forgetting models upon file edit
Replies: 4
Views: 6828

Re: KO forgetting models upon file edit

Upon export, I want the font to have "clean" kerning groups, that's the reason I rename the kerning groups – it's only if I realise I want to tweak some kerning here and there, some general inconsistencies or whatever, that I want to restart KO. I know I'm not making much sense, though ;)
by SCarewe
07 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: KO forgetting models upon file edit
Replies: 4
Views: 6828

Re: KO forgetting models upon file edit

I see, thank you very much! A few months ago I remember you explaining that I could simply delete all occurences of KO_ from the .glyphs file (which worked fine for .glyphs files, but apparently not if I edit the fontinfo.plist in the .glyphspackage). Is there any way to do the same for .glyphspacka...
by SCarewe
06 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: KO forgetting models upon file edit
Replies: 4
Views: 6828

KO forgetting models upon file edit

Hello, this is a rather unspecific title, sorry. So, my specific use-case: I am using KO on a .glyphspackage file. I have 39 and 41 models (it's a small project) for each master, respectively. When I generate the final kerning, I edit the fontinfo.plist file in the .glyphspackage file and delete all...
by SCarewe
06 Sep 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Store kern list in-file?
Replies: 3
Views: 5612

Re: Store kern list in-file?

Sorry to butt in here a little off-topic, but regarding missing pairs, one set that I always manually add (which is rather tedious, as KO forgets user-set autopairs when switching between masters if you don't let KO sleep in between) is *.numr–fraction and fraction–*.dnom. Those are currently still ...
by SCarewe
08 Aug 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: SC punctuation
Replies: 2
Views: 4736

Re: SC punctuation

Ah, that's what it was. Updating the features and restarting KO fixed the issue. Many thanks!
by SCarewe
06 Aug 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: SC punctuation
Replies: 2
Views: 4736

SC punctuation

Hello, after creating smallcap punctuation (exclam.sc etc.), I found that KO doesn't list these as autokern glyphs against (at least) the rest of SC. What is the easiest practice to include this group in autokerning?
by SCarewe
28 Jun 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Remove small Kerning Pairs
Replies: 3
Views: 5174

Re: Remove small Kerning Pairs

Hello, in case you wish to remove small kerning pairs, you can find a corresponding script in the mekkablue scripts.
by SCarewe
16 Jun 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Fraction kerning
Replies: 10
Views: 12833

Re: Fraction kerning

Hello, sorry to revive this topic again. I have a question regarding the counting of "user-set autopairs". For some reason, when I manually set the autopairs for fractions, KO doesn't count them properly. Instead of having 20 user-set autopairs (*.numr|fraction, fraction|*.dnom), KO gives ...
by SCarewe
16 Jun 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kern On sleeps in second master
Replies: 6
Views: 8133

Re: Kern On sleeps in second master

Okay, apologies. I am able to set models by typing in a number for a pair, which KO immediately recognises as a model. Then, the rest of the pairs suddenly jump to auto. So it appears KO is simply not initialised for the master yet, but it becomes initialised as soon as I set a model like this. Stil...
by SCarewe
16 Jun 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kern On sleeps in second master
Replies: 6
Views: 8133

Re: Kern On sleeps in second master

It appears I misrepresented my case. The master is not new, the italic file is more than a year old and I was simply re-doing the kerning with KO, starting with the Light master. But, when I switched to the Black, it simply didn't work. I will send you the file shortly. Thanks!
by SCarewe
15 Jun 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kern On sleeps in second master
Replies: 6
Views: 8133

Re: Kern On sleeps in second master

Thanks for letting me know! Anything I can do in the meantime to get this running again? How were you able to reproduce this? What is the specific use case that I ran into?
by SCarewe
15 Jun 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kern On sleeps in second master
Replies: 6
Views: 8133

Kern On sleeps in second master

Hello, I have run into an issue with KO while working on an italic. I set up the first (Light) master with KO, but when I switched to the other, Black, master, I found that KO simply doesn't run at all. It doesn't turn on auto-pairs for anything and I also can't define any autopairs, let alone model...
by SCarewe
21 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Consider UC and LC separately
Replies: 27
Views: 32046

Re: Consider UC and LC separately

Hello again. Sorry, but there is definitely something very wrong with KO's interpretation of smallcap spacing. I have tried every spacing under the sun and found that only if I set |h.sc|=|n, KO doesn't complain. I have now spaced my SC exactly like my LC, which looks terrible, but only like that, K...
by SCarewe
19 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Fraction kerning
Replies: 10
Views: 12833

Re: Fraction kerning

Yes, I set up those models already and it works great. Just wanted to suggest adding them to the autokern list, but if that's already on the list, perfect! Thanks.
by SCarewe
19 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Fraction kerning
Replies: 10
Views: 12833

Fraction kerning

Hello, upon reviewing KO's kerning, I stumbled across its deletion of my fraction kerning. Maybe my practice is misinformed, but so far, I have .numr and .dnom spaced regularly (auto-width from .sup components) and then would kern things like fraction four.dnom negatively, for example, just like sev...
by SCarewe
18 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Controlling kerning groups
Replies: 26
Views: 26431

Re: Controlling kerning groups

Thanks a lot for the renaming tip, I didn't think of that! While now manually digging through the kerning (and finding loads of – in my opinion – pretty useless kerning, like zero.superior fraction), I noticed that, for instance, D| was set to kerning group H. KO realises, of course, that this doesn...
by SCarewe
17 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Consider UC and LC separately
Replies: 27
Views: 32046

Re: Consider UC and LC separately

Sorry, yes, my mistake. KO decides they are too tight in my Black and too loose in my ExtraLight. I removed all the number models and sent you the font file. Thanks a lot!
by SCarewe
17 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Consider UC and LC separately
Replies: 27
Views: 32046

Re: Consider UC and LC separately

Hello again, I'm very sorry to constantly be reviving this topic. I have started to play around with kerning numbers. Kern On decides that my numbers are too loose and positively kerns almost all of them (with disastrous results). So I thought it might be useful to set up a special kerning group for...
by SCarewe
12 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Controlling kerning groups
Replies: 26
Views: 26431

Re: Controlling kerning groups

Ah, regarding the a and n, here's what I mean. n| is registered by KO as KO_a kerning class, which makes no sense. KO of course realises this to some extent and makes all kerning and exception for n|. You can see how n and a have completely different shapes on the right, so I wonder why they are lum...
by SCarewe
12 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Controlling kerning groups
Replies: 26
Views: 26431

Controlling kerning groups

Hello, this is probably an outlandish request, but I am pretty confused as to how KO achieves its kerning group decisions. I'm sure there are good reasons which I simply don't understand, so maybe somebody else here can explain what's going on. First example: |o has the kerning group e (which, techn...
by SCarewe
12 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: too many kerning combinations
Replies: 12
Views: 12797

Re: too many kerning combinations

If I may butt in, just to explain a little, things like uppercase to lowercase are actually essential. Depending on how you space your UC, of course, but I would assume that you've spaced your UC more loosely than your LC, which is very common. Then, though, you'll notice that Hn is a lot looser tha...
by SCarewe
06 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Consider UC and LC separately
Replies: 27
Views: 32046

Re: Consider UC and LC separately

I am very confused. I swear on Speedpunk that I haven't changed a thing regarding SC being classified as Special spacing, smallcaps, but after restarting Glyphs and KO, I don't run into this issue anymore. I can set h.sc h.sc and HH as models in my ExtraLight and everything works. Sorry for the fuss...
by SCarewe
06 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Consider UC and LC separately
Replies: 27
Views: 32046

Re: Consider UC and LC separately

Tim Ahrens wrote: > Can you explain why you would find this feature beneficial? Keep in mind > that the names of the kerning groups will not end up in the exported fonts. That's probably just my eye not used to it and my desire to have clean kerning group names. I imagine that if, after Kern On has ...
by SCarewe
06 May 2021
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Consider UC and LC separately
Replies: 27
Views: 32046

Re: Consider UC and LC separately

I thought I had installed 0.9b17, apparently I hadn't. Thanks! Now, I at least don't run into the same issue with my h.sc n.sc as described above, but I now have the issue that, apparently, in my ExtraLight, h.sc h.sc is too loose in comparison to HH. To test, I spaced a file with HT Letterspacer an...