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by tiro_j
29 Aug 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning that shows up in KO not getting written when KO run
Replies: 2
Views: 1870

Re: Kerning that shows up in KO not getting written when KO run

Aha! If I increase the kerning data size to 100kb, then these glyphs get kerning.
by tiro_j
29 Aug 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning that shows up in KO not getting written when KO run
Replies: 2
Views: 1870

Re: Kerning that shows up in KO not getting written when KO run

If I define models including these glyphs, the models get written to the kerning output, but no other kerning for them.
by tiro_j
29 Aug 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Kerning that shows up in KO not getting written when KO run
Replies: 2
Views: 1870

Kerning that shows up in KO not getting written when KO run

I am trying to use KO to generate kerning for a couple of specific glyphs in a font. This is an unencoded variant form (a UCAS final ring character lowered to be baseline as used in the Beaver Dene language), and a ligature involving this and another, grave-like final sign. These glyphs is accessed ...
by tiro_j
31 Jul 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
Replies: 7
Views: 4050

Re: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned

[If I first set an autopair and then change it to an independent pair, then it gets included in final kerning, but that second step should not be necessary.]
by tiro_j
31 Jul 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
Replies: 7
Views: 4050

Re: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned

No, I do not have language corpora using these characters. Such corpora may exist online, but the languages I am targeting are digitally disadvantaged. A lot of IPA characters are used in the orthographies of American and African languages. Most of these are identifiable by having case mappings in U...
by tiro_j
28 Jul 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
Replies: 7
Views: 4050

Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned

I am working on a font that includes a few extended Latin characters used in indigenous North American orthographies. This is not a complete set for all such languages: just a small subset for some specifically targeted languages. Some of these characters are being kerned by Kern On, but some are no...
by tiro_j
27 Apr 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Copy kern on project?
Replies: 2
Views: 2263

Copy kern on project?

I have an updated version of a font with shape and spacing changes to a large subset of glyphs (all changes made in FontLab 8), and an older Glyphs source with Kern On project. What is the easiest way to merge the Kern On project into the new version exported from FL8 to Glyphs? The subset of revise...
by tiro_j
19 Apr 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Behind the kb limit
Replies: 3
Views: 2810

Re: Behind the kb limit

Thanks, Tim. With regard to target output format, that is something I would be more likely to handle as downstream data processing. At the stage I am running KO, I am not thinking about specific output formats, and those output formats are going to be handled in our build process from a single sourc...
by tiro_j
13 Apr 2023
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Behind the kb limit
Replies: 3
Views: 2810

Behind the kb limit

Every time I use Kern On, I have a happy time defining models, setting up special spacing sets, previewing auto results, and then there’s this moment when I click the Kern On button and am presented with the ‘Limit kerning to ________kB’ — and I freeze. I have no sense at all what effect the number ...
by tiro_j
21 Jul 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Normalise kerning to spacing?
Replies: 17
Views: 17280

Re: Normalise kerning to spacing?

Well, this is pretty impressive. I spent the past few days manually re-spacing a new sans serif Cherokee design, and today used Kern On’s new feature to auto-space it for comparison, using my sidebearings of the Ꮋ (mi) syllable as a reference. What I found was that Kern On wanted to make the sidebea...
by tiro_j
21 Jul 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Normalise kerning to spacing?
Replies: 17
Views: 17280

Re: Normalise kerning to spacing?

Thanks, Tim. I will experiment and try to make sense of what this does.
by tiro_j
21 Jul 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Normalise kerning to spacing?
Replies: 17
Views: 17280

Re: Normalise kerning to spacing?

>Autospacing via “zero partners”. In the sidebearing fields of >the Kern On window, you can enter one or several glyph names >(slash separated) that should not have kerning (i.e. zero value) >against this glyph side. Kern On will adjust the sidebearing so >that the kerning with the given partner(s) ...
by tiro_j
22 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

Auto-generating OTL features in Glyphs relies on using Glyphs-conformant glyph names or spending a bunch of time creating a custom glyphdata.xml, and even then doesn’t work reliably for many of the scripts I deal with. If I do my GSUB work in VOLT before the kerning stage, I can use Volto* to genera...
by tiro_j
21 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

Thanks, Tim. That sounds sensible (even though it means I have to do .fea code, which I mostly avoid).
by tiro_j
21 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

I am thinking about projects with unique glyph variants, and how to roll those in to Kern On kerning? Does this happen automatically based on glyph naming, e.g. /a.ss01/ would participate in Kern On kerning because /a/ does? Also wondering about custom glyph naming—we don’t use Glyphs naming convent...
by tiro_j
18 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

Thought: have you considered having the list of Kern On pairs in an external resource, where it could be more easily customised by users without messing with the .py file?
by tiro_j
18 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

Yes, I do need those, but also the rest of the Cherokee lowercase in the Cherokee Supplement block:
https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UAB70.pdf

It would also be helpful to have pairs for Cherokee characters and some common punctuation:

‘ “ ' " before

’ ” ' " , ; : . ? ! after
by tiro_j
16 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

Thanks, Tim. Priority for me at the moment is LC-LC and UC-LC: I am extending an existing Cherokee typeface that already has UC-UC kerning that I am not allowed to touch.
by tiro_j
16 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Re: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

I am not aware of a substantial Cherokee corpus, and I also need to be able to support the historical lowercase characters that do not occur in most Cherokee text. The nature of syllabic scripts is that kerning needs to accommodate all pairs of all characters: because most of the letters represent c...
by tiro_j
15 Feb 2022
Forum: Kern On forum
Topic: Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?
Replies: 13
Views: 13006

Using Kern On for other-than-Latin scripts?

I was hoping that I might be able to use Kern On for my Cherokee font, but it seems not to work, presumably because it relies on some internal knowledge of Latin characters? A tool like Kern On would be especially helpful for syllabic scripts like Cherokee, since they tend to require significant amo...