Thanks for your help, Brian. Yes, using custom kerning groups could be a good work-around.
Ryan: Would you mind sending me the file? Then I can have a look and either improve Kern On or possibly find a way of getting this to work with the current version.
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- 26 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Complex subsitutions leaving some pairs without AutoKerning
- Replies: 2
- Views: 48
- 16 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Do we need kerning against the space character?
- Replies: 27
- Views: 36212
Re: Do we need kerning against the space character?
Yes, that would be great!Jeremy Tribby wrote: ↑04 Apr 2024 Would it be helpful to have specific examples of this as OpenType feature code (and/or Glyphs specific format for VF), so that a suitable UI could be worked out from there?
- 15 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
I see. This brings up the same old question : “Find all composites in which the positioning of the components is affected by kerning.” This was surprisingly difficult to implement, as you remember, even with Georg’s help. To be honest, the current code never felt very robust to me, and now we are se...
- 15 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Whether to autokern non-exporting glyphs is an interesting question. At first glance it makes sense to automatically exclude them but there can be non-exporting glyphs in a font that should be autokerned, e.g. for fractions. So, the approach is to generously generate autokerning pairs and then disab...
- 04 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Thanks for the explanation and the workaround, Georg. I still don’t understand why you consider shouldAttach = False to be the correct return value in a case like this. The diacritic component is clearly attached (i.e. its position depends on the anchors). From a functional point of view, it does no...
- 04 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Thanks for sending the file. Seems like we were not looking at the same file! Very similar but not identical, which made it easy to dig into it. As it turns out, the PUA values for the .case accents are causing this strange behaviour. What I tested: • Open your latest file (with PUA for the .case ac...
- 02 Apr 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
What happens if you run the script in Glyphs 3.2? I cannot run any Python scripts in Glyphs 3151 because Glyphs says it cannot not find a compatible Python version. One thing I noticed is that Hmacron seems to be completely unknown to my version of Glyphs. It doesn’t have a Unicode value and Glyphs ...
- 29 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
Btw this is a script that can be used to inspect what Glyphs returns for certain layer and component properties: for layer in Font.selectedLayers: print( layer.parent.name, 'hasAlignedWidth', layer.hasAlignedWidth() ) for c in layer.components: print( c, 'shouldAttach', c.shouldAttach() ) print() In...
- 29 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
- Replies: 12
- Views: 898
Re: Autokern now kerns accents with glyphs
This is strange. If I open the font with Glyphs 3249 and Kern On 1.31 then /H/macroncomb.case is not autokerned. Which version of Glyphs are you working with?
- 26 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4935
Re: Special Spacing Not Working
Thanks for your help, Sebastian. I definitely found the reason why the default groups were not set properly. They were set in the KO engine but not written to the userData in Glyphs. This discrepancy is the reason for the funny behaviour between the very first start with a font, and the next re-star...
- 25 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4935
Re: Special Spacing Not Working
Thanks for the explanation! I think I found the problem and fixed it.
Can you confirm: Setting the special spacing group only fails when starting with a fresh font, and before re-starting Kern On. Is that correct? Once you re-start Kern On, all behaviour is as expected, right?
Can you confirm: Setting the special spacing group only fails when starting with a fresh font, and before re-starting Kern On. Is that correct? Once you re-start Kern On, all behaviour is as expected, right?
- 22 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4935
Re: Special Spacing Not Working
Hello both of you, sorry about this. This is really frustrating for me as well because I really cannot reproduce the problem. Of course, I can see that it is happening in the video. Thanks for the detailed analysis, Alex. Seeing 1 vs 3 is very strange. Was the “Parenthesis” group one you created you...
- 18 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: loosing kerns
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1102
Re: loosing kerns
As long as you don’t lose models or independents because of the crash, you can just finalize again. (Keep in mind that all kerning except models and independents is “lost” the moment you start Kern On).
- 18 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Yes, we finally got it to work last week! I sat down with Georg to resolve this. It will be included in the next release.
Do you want me to send you my current in-house version if it’s urgent?
Do you want me to send you my current in-house version if it’s urgent?
- 18 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Add models and ind. for selected pairs from
- Replies: 1
- Views: 681
Re: Add models and ind. for selected pairs from
Some options are explained in the manual: https://kern-on.com/manual/#font-settings
Does that work for you?
Does that work for you?
- 16 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: loosing kerns
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1102
Re: loosing kerns
You can just reply to your purchase confirmation e-mail, or use the one given in the footer at https://kern-on.com/
- 16 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: /fl kerned differently than /l
- Replies: 2
- Views: 894
Re: /fl kerned differently than /l
This is really difficult to answer without having the font file, I am afraid. Would you mind sending it to me?
- 16 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: loosing kerns
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1102
Re: loosing kerns
This is really difficult to answer without having the font file, I am afraid. Would you mind sending it to me?
- 15 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Kern On user manual
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1562
Kern On user manual
Hello everyone! I finally assembled a proper user manual:
https://kern-on.com/manual/
Some explanations are rather detailed – they might be interesting if you want more in-depth information than what’s shown in the videos.
https://kern-on.com/manual/
Some explanations are rather detailed – they might be interesting if you want more in-depth information than what’s shown in the videos.
- 15 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Fighting with KO over the same kinds of model pairs regardless of font. What am I missing?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2068
Re: Fighting with KO over the same kinds of model pairs regardless of font. What am I missing?
Hi Brian, Thanks for your detailed feedback. Some of this is impossible to comment on without having the file or seeing more details, some of which I will try to answer here. Regardless of what font I’m working with in KO, I’m finding that with essentially any letters that have extremes amounts of n...
- 15 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Inconsistent Auto Pairs
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1723
Re: Inconsistent Auto Pairs
This does look a bit strange indeed. Would you mind sending me the file?
As a side note, one thing I noticed (although it does not explain the behaviour) is, why does the V have larger sidebearings than the W? I’d expect them to be the same or smaller.
As a side note, one thing I noticed (although it does not explain the behaviour) is, why does the V have larger sidebearings than the W? I’d expect them to be the same or smaller.
- 07 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Sync kerning types from" affects source file when changes are made in target
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1981
Re: "Sync kerning types from" affects source file when changes are made in target
It turned out to be a UI glitch. The list of special spacing groups simply did not get updated when we activate a different file (if KO is running for both files). Just fixed this. Btw, the old special spacing groups are still available in the drop-down menu after "Sync kerning types from"...
- 07 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Sync kerning types from" affects source file when changes are made in target
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1981
Re: "Sync kerning types from" affects source file when changes are made in target
Hmmm... scratching my head.
This only happens if KO is running for both files. You could open both files, start KO for the target font and sync. Then close the other file.
It’s probably a bug, will have a closer look. Thanks for the notice.
This only happens if KO is running for both files. You could open both files, start KO for the target font and sync. Then close the other file.
It’s probably a bug, will have a closer look. Thanks for the notice.
- 01 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Add models and independents from..." is not working
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1596
Re: "Add models and independents from..." is not working
One thing I noticed is that it does not import special spacing groups. No, this is a separate feature. It is called “Sync kerning types from”, also in the (•••) menu. “Kerning type” means special spacing, standard kerning or no kerning. If you want to transfer both then you should first transfer (s...
- 01 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3097
Re: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
Thanks for the scripts, Manuel! But compared to the 2–4% with your palettize script I was getting a much better improvement in file size. This figure was just what I found back then, from a handful of files I was generating at the time. Comparing the saving to the overall file size is not a very sen...
- 01 Mar 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: UcLc kerning glyphs set with 'no kerning'
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2041
Re: UcLc kerning glyphs set with 'no kerning'
KernOn keeps telling me the right side bearing of my B is too tight so it kerns it away from the H by 7. Visually it’s now too loose to my eye, so I make a model pair and set it to zero. Yes, that’s the way to go! But now that affects my nn pair, which is also a model pair set to zero. That’s impos...
- 29 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Too many Independent Pairs, Missing Kerning
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1939
Re: Too many Independent Pairs, Missing Kerning
Manuel, sorry, here is the reply to what is left of your message:
What exactly was the problem? Did Kern On remove a model that contained the e? Which was the other model it was conflicting with?
It’s difficult to say what went wrong without seeing the file.
What exactly was the problem? Did Kern On remove a model that contained the e? Which was the other model it was conflicting with?
It’s difficult to say what went wrong without seeing the file.
- 29 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: UcLc kerning glyphs set with 'no kerning'
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2041
Re: UcLc kerning glyphs set with 'no kerning'
You should definitely not set the left side of the /n to “No kerning” as there are many combinations with /n as the second glyph that require kerning.
I’d strongly advise against using “No kerning” for any letters.
I’d strongly advise against using “No kerning” for any letters.
- 29 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3097
Re: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
If you currently use multiples of 8 at 1000 UPM, you can re-scale the font to 125 UPM as 1000 / 8 = 125.
- 29 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Too many Independent Pairs, Missing Kerning
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1939
Re: Too many Independent Pairs, Missing Kerning
Hi mckc: overkern Let’s try to avoid this expression; it does not have any clearly defined meaning (and it is not commonly used afaik). In Rainer’s script it has a very specific meaning (see discussion here ), it seems you are using it with a different meaning (and, funnily, that spam bot with yet a...
- 24 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3097
Re: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
Thanks for your work, Manuel! There was lots of extensive Kern On feedback coming in today so I will need a few days to have a proper look at it and write the thorough answer it deserves. Miyamoto, it seems you are working with 1000 UPM but then place everything, including contour points, spacing an...
- 22 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3097
Re: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
There were similar requests before. My feeling is that the main motivation is to keep things “tidy under the hood”. This seems to be a strong (though irrational) desire among many designers, which I initially underestimated. I will soon implement the quantisation of the autokerning values (multiples...
- 22 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Some spam filters are set to allow all posts from users that already have at least one approved post (I just saw that setting in my own filter but it is not active). That explains the strategy: first, one innocent post, followed by spam posts.
- 21 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
- Replies: 10
- Views: 3097
Re: Generate Pairs only with multiples of 4
Can you explain what exactly “a limited amount of kerning pairs” would be? Also, what exactly are you trying to achieve? Not sure I understand.
- 20 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Oh dear, I just found out that “DanielNiz” is in fact a spam account. Seems like LLMs are getting good enough to fool me (and the spam filter, which usually works quite well). In future, I’ll face the challenge of trying not to waste my time with stupid LLM-generated posts but also not to insult rea...
- 20 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Daniel, what exactly does “overkern” mean as you use it? The term does not have a clear definition, and it is not widely used. The script referred to at the beginning of this discussion calls “overkerned” any pair that has a strongly negative kerning compared to the smaller advance width of the two ...
- 19 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Yes, that’s exactly the problem.
- 16 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Btw, the only perfect solution to handle the challenges described above is to use kerning triples. Implementing this in Kern On is fairly high on my to-do list, and Glyphs will also soon be more powerful at handling triples, I heard. ;-)
- 16 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Update: It turned out that the script “New Tab with Overkerned Pairs” did not consider exceptions. I implemented that, and it is updated in the live version now. So, we should not get false positives from the script any more. I also slightly tweaked the algorithm in Kern On so as to avoid generating...
- 14 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
> I would love to, but KO keeps overkerning Thanks for pointing this out. I found out what is happening. This happens because Kern On usually has to omit exceptions in order not to exceed the given kB size. This means that, for rare pairs, we have to accept that the final kerning value deviates from...
- 13 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Here is an example for reference. As you can see, the kerning value (-138) is exactly -50% of the advance width of quoteright (276). Even though, the script shows this pair if I set the threshold to 55%.
- 13 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to avoid overkerns?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4502
Re: How to avoid overkerns?
Just tried this script myself. One question is, where does the default 40% come from? What is the reasoning? Kern On limits the negative autokerning to 50% of the smaller advance width. If I set 50%, the script wrongly reports pairs. In other words, the output of the script is incorrect even accordi...
- 11 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: no kerning group?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1663
Re: no kerning group?
Class kerning (groups, as Glyphs calls it) is not necessarily better in this case: Three glyph-glyph pairs cost 3 * 4 bytes plus overhead for the first glyph. Writing these pairs into the class kerning table will add a row to the table, which costs 2 bytes per cell plus class definition overhead. Wr...
- 11 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: No kern for accented letters
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2700
Re: No kern for accented letters
Maybe you omitted the .split() at the end of the first line?
- 11 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: No kern for accented letters
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2700
Re: No kern for accented letters
This code should do practically the same but it is more complicated to set up. ;-)
- 10 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: No kern for accented letters
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2700
Re: No kern for accented letters
You can also work with glyph names, with space in-between: characters_1st = 'f.calt g.calt t.calt f.liga t.low e.ss04'.split() characters_2nd = 'Aacute Abreve Acircumflex Adieresis Agrave Amacron Aogonek Aring Atilde AE Cacute Ccaron Ccedilla Ccircumflex Dcaron Dcroat Eth Eacute Ecaron Ecircumflex E...
- 10 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: No kern for accented letters
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2700
Re: No kern for accented letters
This seems to be a unique use case. Right now, there is no elegant, built-in way of achieving what you want. Maybe I should add a feature that allows to specify user-set autopairs for groups of glyphs. For now, you can use this code: characters_1st = '◆■‣•' characters_2nd = 'ÁĂÂÄÀĀĄÅÃÆĆČÇĈĎĐÐÉĚÊËĖÈĒ...
- 09 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Unpredictable exceptions
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2379
Re: Unpredictable exceptions
I suppose you refer to the little lock symbol in Glyphs next to the kerning value? It’s just how Glyphs shows you whether a pair is a class-class pair (locked icon) or a glyph-glyph pair, a.k.a. exception (unlocked icon). It’s a strange visualisation as class-class pairs are not protected (“locked”)...
- 07 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Unpredictable exceptions
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2379
Re: Unpredictable exceptions
Sorry you are not getting the results you expect. It’s a bit difficult to tell what is going on without seeing it myself. Would you mind sending me the .glyphs file? Then I can have a closer look. It is not unthinkable that there is a small slip somewhere in the code that causes wrong output in your...
- 01 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Blue Zone" kerning
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3952
Re: "Blue Zone" kerning
Sorry for not answering to your reply quicker. a user-specified filter into the step between where the deviations are calculated and when they are multiplied by the frequency of the pair. I don’t think being able to customize this value is necessary. It is not really a mater of taste and I believe a...
- 01 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Does the Kern On algorithm prioritize reducing further suggestions?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1830
Re: Does the Kern On algorithm prioritize reducing further suggestions?
When Kern On determines the suggestions, the objective is to “fill the gaps” in the cloud of models. It should suggest pairs that have a shape combination which is not similar to any of the existing models, and therefore the engine (all models combined) currently has a “loose grip”, i.e. you will ty...
- 01 Feb 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
I can’t test the script in 3.1.2 as it complains about missing Python 3. I am certain that is worked at some point, as I tested it when I implemented it in February 2023. In any case, I think what Kern On needs to detect is clear: Composites in which kerning affects the positioning. It would be very...
- 22 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Using this code: for layer in Font.selectedLayers: print( layer.parent.name, 'hasAlignedWidth?', layer.hasAlignedWidth() ) for c in layer.components: print( c, c.alignment, c.alignmentType() ) print() I am getting this output: onehalf hasAlignedWidth? True <GSComponent "one.numr" x=0.0 y=0...
- 22 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Next attempt: for layer in Font.selectedLayers: if not layer.hasAlignedWidth(): continue pairs = [] prevComponent = None for c in layer.components: if c.alignment == 0 and prevComponent and prevComponent.alignment == 0: if c.alignmentType() == 3 or prevComponent.alignmentType() == 3: pairs.append(pr...
- 22 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Btw, I am working in Objective C, of course. Georg, you can see the current code in the shared Github repo.
- 22 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
You mean something like this? for layer in Font.selectedLayers: if not layer.hasAlignedWidth(): continue kernedComponents = [] for c in layer.components: if c.alignment == 0: kernedComponents.append(c.name) if len(kernedComponents) >= 2: print( layer.parent.name, kernedComponents ) No, this also cat...
- 21 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Manual Mode?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1808
Re: Manual Mode?
the fact that every launch is a new day means you have to proof *everything* after each correction, having no clue where to expect changes. This is exactly what the “Compare to” functionality is for. Just save the old version as a separate snapshot file, then start Kern On, make the changes, open t...
- 21 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
I need to identify composite glyphs in which the positioning of the components is affected by kerning.
- 20 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Kerning a pixel font?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2146
Re: Kerning a pixel font?
Thanks for pointing this out. It’s not too difficult for me to implement the application of the font’s grid. I’ll add that to my to-do list.
Another possible work-around would be to work with a UPM of 20 (if your grid is currently 50 units at 1000 UPM). This is what I would do anyway, I guess.
Another possible work-around would be to work with a UPM of 20 (if your grid is currently 50 units at 1000 UPM). This is what I would do anyway, I guess.
- 20 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Thanks for the file. This is a bug in Glyphs that was introduced at some point in 2023. I reported it to Georg in December. To demonstrate it you can use: for layer in Font.selectedLayers: print( layer.parent.name ) for c in layer.components: print( c, c.alignment, c.alignmentType() ) print() In som...
- 18 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8874
Re: Glyph combinations used as components not kerned
Hello, I seem to remember this was a feature introduced with some update a while back: glyph combinations that are used as components in other glyphs (such as /one.dnom /fraction in /onehalf) were kerned by Kern On, regardless of importance on the pair frequency list. Yes, this is how it should wor...
- 11 Jan 2024
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: KO 1.27 - Work only in a single master
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2126
Re: KO 1.27 - Work only in a single master
What exactly is it that is not working in the other masters?
Can you send me the file? Then I can have a closer look. Thanks!
Can you send me the file? Then I can have a closer look. Thanks!
- 18 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: f kerned, f.italic not kerned
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2019
Re: f kerned, f.italic not kerned
Are the .italic glyphs accessible via any OT feature? In other words, is there any OT feature that has something like sub f by f.italic? If there isn’t then Kern On does not generate the auto-pairs for these glyphs. (The roboty answer would be that this means that in the exported font, these glyphs ...
- 16 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3137
Re: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
As of today, is implemented in the latest version: Kern On now generates local models automatically when you un-autokern a master. You still get some warnings but Kern On is playing a trick: These warnings suppressed at first; they are only shown once you start modifying or setting new models, or if...
- 16 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5016
Re: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
Good news! This problem should be solved. Get the latest update from https://kern-on.com/update/ and don’t forget to restart Glyphs!
Please let me know if you run into this problem again.
Please let me know if you run into this problem again.
- 16 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5016
Re: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
Update: I managed to reproduce this. Stay tuned.
- 16 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Cyrillic question - Л and л
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2363
Re: Cyrillic question - Л and л
This is tricky to answer without seeing the font. Kern On never thinks a pair is too tight as such, it only thinks it is it is too tight compared to another pair. For example, when it says “дл is too tight compared to vn” it might as well say, “vn is too loose compared to дл”, with the same meaning....
- 15 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5016
Re: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
I will try to reproduce this problem. The challenge here is, this text field is an interaction between Kern On, Glyphs (because KO uses an Objective C class provided by Glyphs), and macOS, of course. Any change in any of the three can potentially trigger this wrong behaviour. Would you mind letting ...
- 15 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4935
Re: Special Spacing Not Working
Sorry, this video seems to be private. YouTube doesn’t allow me to see it.
- 13 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4935
Re: Special Spacing Not Working
Thanks for sending the file. So far, I could not find anything that does not work as it should. Maybe some clarifications help: Whenever I pick a group for a character, it’s not saved. This is strange. You mean, while Kern On is running the special spacing group shows on the dialog for the glyph but...
- 12 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Special Spacing Not Working
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4935
Re: Special Spacing Not Working
Sorry about this. Would you mind sending me the file? Then I can have a closer look, and I am sure we’ll find a fix!
- 03 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3137
Re: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
Btw you can also try to juggle pairs and values by showing the models in the upright, then copy-pasting them (as text) into the italic, select all, make them models. In order to transfer the values you could shut down Kern On, open an autokerned backup of the Italic master, copy-paste all kerning to...
- 03 Dec 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3137
Re: "Expand Kerning" from autokerned masters to models?
I would like to copy just the model pairs, but set the values resulting from the autokerning process. Agreed, this is simply what should happen if you deselect “Autokern from”. If you deselect “Interpolate master” this is how it already works (I believe) but I need to implement the same principle f...
- 15 Nov 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: in-Glyphs kerning not matching output
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2163
Re: in-Glyphs kerning not matching output
I assume what is happening is what you also suspect: The pair is too infrequent in the list. This is why it does not end up with the ideal value (as it is generated on-the-fly while Kern On is running). See my explanation in the other thread for more details. As an experiment, you can increase the v...
- 15 Nov 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: "Blue Zone" kerning
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3952
Re: "Blue Zone" kerning
What you describe is roughly how the class kerning algorithm works. Sticking to your example, let’s assume a certain pair against /adieresis has an ideal value of 50, and /amacron has 60. If 50 is the class kerning value then, if the exception with /amacron is omitted, the deviation is 10. Multiply ...
- 03 Nov 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5016
Re: Manual keyboard strokes don't always function properly after latest KO update (v 1.24)
Thanks for the notice. I identified the bug that leads to the wrong slider behaviour, and I think this also fixes the wrong behaviour of the key-up and key-down in the text field (which was not as easy to reproduce). You can get the update from kern-on.com/update . Please let me know if any of the p...
- 02 Nov 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Got spam?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 3062
Re: Got spam?
Thanks for the notice. Yes, we do get a lot of spam and, although the spam filter is generally doing a good job, it sometimes lets things slip through.
- 14 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Create kerning groups for everything
- Replies: 3
- Views: 3064
Re: Create kerning groups for everything
Using class kerning for sparse rows or columns is inefficient in terms of data size: We need 2 bytes per table cell, no matter whether it is used (non-zero) or not. Glyph-glyph pairs need 4 bytes per pair (each option has a certain overhead). So, for rows or columns that contain fewer pairs than rou...
- 13 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Create kerning groups for everything
- Replies: 3
- Views: 3064
Re: Create kerning groups for everything
In principle, this would be possible to add as a feature but why would you want to do that?
- 11 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: KernOn crashes when setting special spacing groups
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2915
Re: KernOn crashes when setting special spacing groups
Thanks for sending the file. This crash only occurs in very specific situations (one master autokerned from another master, from which all models are removed). I just fixed it in the code.
- 11 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: KernOn crashes when setting special spacing groups
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2915
Re: KernOn crashes when setting special spacing groups
Thanks for the notice. Would you mind sending the file? Than I can investigate. Thanks!
- 05 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Kern-on 1.23 - macOS Sonoma 14.0 (23A344)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4158
Re: Kern-on 1.23 - macOS Sonoma 14.0 (23A344)
Yes, I can confirm that Kern On crashes if all masters in the font have “Link Metrics With Master”. It seems to be independent of the OS (and, looking at the code, it should be). I am just fixing this crash. This set-up, however, is unreasonable: How can all masters in the font be linked to somethin...
- 04 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Kern-on 1.23 - macOS Sonoma 14.0 (23A344)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4158
Re: Kern-on 1.23 - macOS Sonoma 14.0 (23A344)
Sorry, I cannot reproduce this crash here. Would you mind sending me the file? Thanks!
- 03 Oct 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Kern-on 1.23 - macOS Sonoma 14.0 (23A344)
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4158
Re: Kern-on 1.23 - macOS Sonoma 14.0 (23A344)
Thanks for the notification. I am installing Sonoma on one of my computers right now and will have a closer look at this problem.
- 28 Aug 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: HX H – why?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2791
Re: HX H – why?
This seems strange. Would you mind sending me the .glyphs file?
- 23 Aug 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Kerning pairs - reasonable quantity?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3409
Re: Kerning pairs - reasonable quantity?
The quick answer is: Don’t worry about the number of kerning pairs. The somewhat longer answer is: Don’t try to make you font pretty under the hood. All that counts is the visible, final rendering. If that looks good then all is good. Try to be rational: What is the issue with a large number of pair...
- 23 Aug 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Single point side bearing change leads to drastic auto-kerning
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2804
Re: Single point side bearing change leads to drastic auto-kerning
What you describe clearly sounds like a wrong behaviour or Kern On. Would you mind sending me the .glyphs file so I can reproduce it? Thanks!
- 23 Aug 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Locking existing Kern-On data
- Replies: 6
- Views: 8889
Re: Locking existing Kern-On data
1. Sorry, there are still not bubbles yet. What you can do is: • keep a copy of the file with the manual Latin kerning • in Kern On, set the Latin letters to “No kerning” • after finalizing (generating the full autokerning), copy & paste the Latin kerning fro your backup file You need to do this...
- 04 Aug 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: How to: RTL (Arabic)?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2508
Re: How to: RTL (Arabic)?
Sorry, RTL is not implemented in Kern On yet. It is definitely on my to-do list, though. Stay tuned!
- 29 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4891
Re: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
Further: When I generate the list of supported pairs (i.e. pair_frequencies.txt) I first crunch large amounts of text from various sources, combine them and then remove what appears to be junk data or does not make sense to me, and then synthesize pairs based on what I consider sensible pairs. “Synt...
- 29 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4891
Re: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
The pipeline that generates the list of pairs has a list of to-be-kerned characters, which is the results of several whitelists and blacklists. I can confirm that all the mentioned characters are on the list: in principle, they are not excluded. Some more details on the occurrence in my corpus: ʔ U+...
- 29 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4891
Re: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
To get a better overview: Latin Extended-B: Ɂ U+0241 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER GLOTTAL STOP (This is the uppercase of U+0242 and U+0294) ɂ U+0242 LATIN SMALL LETTER GLOTTAL STOP (This is the lowercase of U+0241 and U+0294) IPA Extensions: ɬ U+026C LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH BELT ʔ U+0294 LATIN LETTER GLOT...
- 29 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4891
Re: Some extended Latin characters not getting kerned
Are you using the 0k feature? This is always an interesting tool for analysis, to understand whether a pair is not kerned because it is simply not in the system, or whether it was lost because of its low frequency. You can also have a look at the file pair_frequencies.txt inside KernOnGlyphs3.glyph...
- 24 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Does KO need a keyboard shortcut?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5017
Re: Does KO need a keyboard shortcut?
Okay, I just removed the default shortcut. This will be reflected in the next KO update. Let’s hope there are few or no users who want a shortcut, and at the same time cannot do so on their computer.
- 24 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Multiple entries for same kern pair
- Replies: 3
- Views: 3349
Re: Multiple entries for same kern pair
Good to know!
I guess I can’t “close this” thread, using a stone-age forum (oh, wait: bulletin board) software here.
I guess I can’t “close this” thread, using a stone-age forum (oh, wait: bulletin board) software here.
- 22 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Multiple entries for same kern pair
- Replies: 3
- Views: 3349
Re: Multiple entries for same kern pair
Thanks for the notification, I will look into this.
- 21 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Something is very wrong with fractions
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3851
Re: Something is very wrong with fractions
Also, Eben’s idea is very good. If you specify 0kB you will get un-compressed raw glyph-glyph kerning. Could be a good hint when searching for the underlying problem.
- 21 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Something is very wrong with fractions
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3851
Re: Something is very wrong with fractions
Sorry to hear about these problems. Which version of Kern On are you using? In case you are using the latest version you will find an “About Kern On” entry in the (•••) menu. If you could send me the .glyphs file that would be great, then I can have a look and I’m sure we’ll solve the problem. Btw, ...
- 17 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Lost in models influences
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2601
Re: Lost in models influences
Kern On “links” all models to all autokerned pairs. It does not link any models to each other. Rather, it tries to assemble them all into an autokerning engine. Sometimes it doesn’t manage to “fit them all under one hat”, as we say in German, and it needs to remove one or several models. There is a ...
- 17 Jul 2023
- Forum: Kern On forum
- Topic: Small kern pairs
- Replies: 10
- Views: 7297
Re: Small kern pairs
Another important thought: When we design typefaces, we do two things: Looking, and Thinking. Some decisions are based on Looking, such as “The w needs to be a little wider”. Other decisions are based purely on Thinking. While Thinking can be powerful and efficient, it can be (1) undeniably correct,...